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| Nassim Haramein |
When I first encountered his work I was blown away and became an instant fan. I watched his four-disc DVD set Crossing the Event Horizon, as well as what is probably his most viewed and famous talk on the net that he gave at the Rouge Valley Metaphysical Institute.
All was great for a while, I even made friends with him on facebook! Then I stumbled upon this series of posts by someone named Bob critiquing Nassim:
- Nassim Haramein - Fraud or Sage? (intro)
- Nassim Haramein - Fraud or Sage?
- What's so misleading about Nassim Haramein?
- The Physics of the Schwarzschild Proton
Some pretty convincing stuff here! It completely changed my opinion for a while and I felt angry that I had fallen for Nassim's frauds. In fact at that point in my life I did a 180° and changed a lot of my opinions, so it wasn't strictly due to this. I became very academic and formulated a goal of getting a Ph.D. I was convinced that Nassim was pretty "un-academic" in his approach and research. Which didn't make much sense as a critique because that's exactly the point. He isn't associated with the academy (though he does work with people who are) and he doesn't pretend to be. Nassim's responses to these critiques weren't able to change my mind:
(I want to throw in here that I have seen Bob saying on his own blog and various message board that Nassim never properly replied to him, that he only resorted to ad hominem attacks. My problem with that is that in the above link "The Schwarzschild Proton Manifesto" Nassim quotes just about every line from Bob's post "The Physics of the Schwarzschild Proton" and most definitely does reply to it)
I don't understand the math that either of these guys are talking about and I will never pretend to. The thing is that when I was reading Bob's critique and letting it change my opinion, I forgot what made me a fan of Nassim in the first place. It wasn't the math. It wasn't even the talk about aliens or ancient civilizations. It was everything he said about infinity.
At the time, however, as much as I loved it I didn't really get it. Little did I know that for me this whole year has been a journey to get to that point of understanding. Everything I researched/studied/read for school this year had to somehow relate to immanence and transcendence, finite and infinite. I became obsessed with Mahāyāna Prajñāpāramitā literature, and the works of Rudolph Otto, Soren Kierkegaard, Heidegger, and especially Walter Terrance Stace, particularly with mystery and infinity and transcendence.
All of this work primed me perfectly. Before writing this post I wanted to brush up on my Nassim Haramein knowledge again, to look at him again with an open mind before putting another post on the internet about what a fraud he is. So I watched his most recent "Black Whole" DVD and suddenly everything clicked again.
I have no issues with letting Bob's criticisms stand and liking Nassim's work for my own reasons. For me the two don't necessarily have to clash because I must stress the "philosophical" way in which his ideas clicked for me. This is why I cannot even pretend to be able to comment on Nassim's math or his claims about the ancient world. Though I feel more ready to comment on his ancient civilization ideas, being a religious studies major and all.
Though I have changed my opinion on Nassim, Bob does raise important and valid points, ones that I am not going to ignore just because I happen to "like" Nassim again. For one, I am not a fan of the way that Nassim attempted to present his paper as having been "peer-reviewed." Yes, it was chosen by some "peers" for a best paper award at a conference, but this is most definitely not what most people think of as "peer review" and not what "peer review" actually means. Check out Bob's comments on this issue for more info. I don't like this because I think it is obvious that Nassim is touting his paper as having been peer-reviewed because it "looks good." It would have been plenty for him to simply say it won a best paper award (which it did, even if Bob does try to dismiss it as an inconsequential conference), and admit that it was published as part of a conference proceeding.
This may be enough for some people to consider him a fraud and give him no more consideration, and I really wouldn't fault them, especially if his ideas don't ring for them like they do for me. But I can't deny the fact that I do legitimately see that he HAS done research, that he isn't just tossing different, appealing religious and spiritual ideas together and serving them up, as other fake "guru's" tend to do. I do have a good knowledge of the world religions. It is my passion as well as my studies. I can see that he must have done his research, even though in some areas I wouldn't consider it up to par.
I absolutely believe that he has true insight regarding infinity, however. The questions of infinity that he is dealing here are in no way new, but I believe that the ways he has of talking about these things are.There are a lot of "spiritual gurus" out there trying to make a buck, and I've spent my time raging against a fair number of them. Nassim, however, does actually try to do real physics (Bob would say he doesn't, and I can't actually comment on it, but the fact of the matter is that right or not he does work on this stuff), and he does work with people in the field. His site has a testimonials page - which sort of irks me (as all "testimonial" pages do, for some reason) - but there are real academics there who I looked up and found and who have presumably given him the time of day. Also, if you read his replies to Bob you will see that he does have a knowledge of physics literature that to me, at least, looks like it goes beyond superficial, fraudulent acquaintance.
I don't mean to say that just because I like Nassim's ideas about infintiy I just don't care if his math is completely wrong, that it wouldn't matter to me at all. Of course it would, especially because the guy bills himself as a physicist. All I can currently say to this matter, barring further attempts at understanding, is that carefully reading through Nassim's replies again make me believe that he does know what he is doing. But as I am woefully unable to really judge any of this because I know nothing about it, I leave that choice up to you.
I urge ANYONE, no matter what your opinion is on these matters, to check out all sides of the issue and make up your own mind. If you're a fan of Nassim, don't be afraid to take a look at his critics. If you think the guy's a total and complete fraud then I urge you to check out his reply as well as any of his videos that you can get your hands on, with an open mind. I would say it doesn't matter to me what opinion you walk away with, but there is one point-of-view that I am pushing - and that is that even if you leave all this thinking that Nassim is totally wrong in everything he says, that you're open-minded enough to see that he isn't a "fraud", that he's simply doing something different, something you maybe don't agree with. I don't mean to say that if you find him to be a fraud that you are somehow stupid or ignorant, but I do personally feel that if one honestly gives the guy a shot you'd see that he's genuine.

Just read your post because I too thought this man is too good to be true. Just like you I am still not sure; however, I am leaning toward Nassiem's side for a variety of reasons.
ReplyDeleteIf you like Nassiem you should also check out Randall Carlson's take on sacred geometry and ancient civilizations.
Hey I am glad you enjoyed the post! Yes I don't see it as a black and white - you either agree with Nassim or think he is completely wrong. Though I don't agree with some of his ideas or things he has done, I think he has some awesome insights that I'm not just going to throw away.
DeleteThank you for the suggestions I definitely will check him out!
Thank you for this forum.....I believe that Nassin is in his own way bringing the often mystical and mysterious world of Quantum Feild Theory to the masses.
Delete"Bob" has put forward some valid points and seems to know what he and/or she is talking about with regard to the physics involved, he and/or she has also brought to light some misrepresentations exressed by Nassim that have been construed by some to be knowingly deceptive in there presentation to the masses and may seen as dishonourable.
I have looked at both sides of the equation from "Bob" (who wont give his or her real name, credentials or peer reviewed publications) and Nassim, while both have valid arguments only one has put their neck on the chopping block to be citiqued as a matter of diciplined discourse.
Nassim does not hide the fact that he is self taught (I did the same thing with law) thus he maybe unfimilar with communicating his theories to those within the scientific community who read his theories as incomprehesible drivel (I speak the language of law but am unfimilar with court proceddures and may hire a lawyer as co-counsel to get me through that mine feild) so he has worked with bonified scientist to this end.
In my most humble of opinios it makes no difference whether Nassim is right or wrong in his Unified Feild Theories, what matters (0.00001%) is that he has the courage of his convictions, he truly believes in what he is doing and that he has a way of communicating that to those who may have never shown an interest in this feild, Quantum or otherwise, and that in itself deserves recognition, for it may spark a big bang within someone such as yourself to actually look into it from an open minded holistic point of view which in turn may bring forth the next Albert Einstein or Nikola Tesla hidding in obscurity.
Just my humble opinion.
Hi, I was interested in your take on Nassim. I am a fan of his more from the spiritual angle, as there are so many deep philosophical implications to his ideas. For instance this idea from Advaita Vedanta: "The world is unreal, only Brahman is real, but Brahman is the world". From the limited human dualistic viewpoint this is sometimes taken as a negative stance toward the manifest world, but Nassim's theory puts this in perspective without any hierarchy of high-low, good-bad, etc. Just a feedback loop from one realm to the other. And this thought: The normal "feedback loop" that most humans live in involves dragging around the psychological past with us and reacting out of that, creating more of the same...(call it Karma if you want) What if we went back into the infinite-void clean and free of all the old "samskaras", what would be created in our reality then?
ReplyDeleteIn this way, Nassim's teachings have clarified some things for me spiritually speaking. I've watched the DVDs again and again. I sense that he is right, even though I'm not a scientist at all. At some level I am feeling what he's talking about.
Thanks for your website, I will read more of your offerings.
P.S. I had a very strong deja vu while writing this message.
Thanks for your comment! hehe I always feel that something very significant is happening when I ave deja vu... nice to hear you felt it while commenting ;)
DeleteI wouldn't say that Nassim's ideas "cleared things up" for me spiritually, but more along the lines of jiving with everything I had already been thinking. I have had so much opportunity because of my studies to read various religious traditions (including the Upanishads, which the Vedanta tradition comes out of!). So I was easily able to recognize that he wasn't just making stuff up or creating some charlatan mess of "nice" religious ides just to capture followers. I think a lot of his critics miss that. They think he is merely presenting water-down New Age ideas, but that isn't true. It's true that sometimes I find him lacking in the details, but as much of a nerd as I am about the spiritual traditions of the world, I honestly don't care about that. I don't think that you have to know every little nuance just to talk about something. I think he does a great job at synthesizing it all AND connecting it to math and physics, which is a big enough job in itself. I also like that he's not billing himself as having thought all this up by himself - the math and physics yes, he connects that, but he gives all the credit to our ancient traditions for knowing this stuff all along. That's a different attitude than most scientists have today.
The only reason I say Nassim doesn't clear things up for me is that he adds a whole new dimension to my understanding that if anything, makes me even more confused and mystified about it all. But for me, that is a good thing. The last time I watched one of his DVD's it really clicked with everything I was learning and really made me see it a new way, expanding everything I thought I knew.
Really glad to hear your thoughts :) Thank you for leaving that comment. Nice to connect with people who got the same things from him that I did.
Hello, it was nice to read your opinion about Nassim Haramein - espesially you have read a lot of his work and his critics' works. I felt in love with this guy and his ideas for some time in the past. But i wasn't asking myself if he is a fraud - rather if he is a crazy guy with beatiful ideas or a revolutionary scientist. I was checking some stuff about pyramids, anciencts and so, and it seemed to me like he is easy to interpret facts the way it fits his research. It's quite typical for people with revolutionary but not very relialbe ideas in the head. Also some popular-science books of scientists like Hawking seems to be much more convincing than Haramein's talking. Even if the 1st one is sometimes a little more boring then second.
ReplyDeleteHeremein has worked a lot so i believe he beleives in what he's saying. Seems not like he is a fraud to me, just one of these guys with beatiful but unproven ideas in the head.
Just my opinion, sorry for bad english:)
Hey Marcin!
DeleteI'm really glad you enjoyed my post! It is nice to connect with people like you. He really does have some beautiful ideas. Let me know if you ever come across anything new he does!
That wasn't bad English at all by the way! :)
Just look at his web site . He is all about the money.
ReplyDeleteHe does not want to truly help anyone but his self.
Yeah sure he charges for things that he makes and puts out but without doing that how could he make those things in the first place? 20 bucks for his latest DVD? That's hardly someone who's only after the money. Rich movie companies charge me more than that for their DVD's ;)
DeleteHell, I run ads on my blog. I have a passion for the things I write and I want to help people and connect with people, but if I have to work 8 hours a day at something I hate then I just can't do things like this!
Nassim has himself and his family to support, and if he's going to be producing DVD's and such for people and people want to buy them then why not? First of all there is SO MUCH of his stuff online for free! The 8 hour talk I linked to, for example! Someone who was truly only after the money would have made the attendees sigh some form not to film him and demanded youtube take down the video. But he didn't. I'm sure that watching that has resulted in some people not wanting to buy his DVD's because all of the information is pretty much in the free video. I see absolutely nothing wrong with charging money for videos that he makes. How are people suppose to live and not make a living?
His delegate programs are costly, yes. And I would never go and no one is forcing you too. But again, this money goes to giving the participants food and a place to stay for the duration of their stay, and of course if he wants to make a profit off that then why not? He's providing a service to people to WANT his information. I sink hours into my article writing so I sure as hell charge for it! If he was charging $10,000 for them like that fucker from The Secret I'd be mad as hell.. but a few hundred bucks, if people want to pay it, doesn't seem so egregious. He certainly isn't making a fortune off it.
The thing is when I wasn't a fan I used to think the same as you, but since you brought it up and I took a look at all his latest prices, $20 for a DVD and a couple hundred for his programs honestly is not making him rich, it's just him getting paid for the time and effort he puts into it, as should happen with any job.
I possess a post grad qualification in the area of philosophy of science and these are my thoughts:
ReplyDeleteI am really not sure where the peer review controversy came from. If you check under AIP link : http://scitation.aip.org/proceedings/confproceed/1303.jsp
It clearly states:"This volume contains Invited Papers and all the peer reviewed papers that received a BEST PAPER AWARD at CASYS '09. The interdisciplinary outstanding topics of these proceedings are readable by researchers and scientists with a university background."
Besides, a new paper just came out: 'The Resonance Project Foundation is excited to announce the official peer-reviewed publication of “Quantum Gravity and the Holographic Mass,” http://www.sciencedomain.org/abstract.php?iid=224&id=4&aid=1298#.UYt8xZVAcgV
I have been following Nassim's work since he was very young and I can ensure you, he was always loyal to his direction. Frauds do not do that - they sell whatever is saleable at the time. He is also not "all about the money" as his organisation is a properly registered not for profit organisation - do you know what that means? They submit an annual statement proving NO PROFITS. All the donations and money from dvds, readings etc are put back to the organisation, in his case for research - a very costly research due to equipment required.
Additionally I have attempted posting under "Bob's" thread and he never posted my comments.
I am afraid guys, you have fallen a victim to immature, narrow-minded internet driven group psychology unfortunately due to limited understanding... I am a big advocate of knowledge and critical thinking - find out what you are doubting or judge before you do so. This guy had a rough journey as it is...
Thanks for the info bud! I only brought up the peer-review controversy because I felt that he was trying to pass it off in a way that wasn't entirely accurate... but you know what, based off that link and based off the fact that his paper was chosen by his "peers" I think he had every right to claim that it WAS in fact peer reviewed! I will work on amending my post.
Deletewhat qualifications dose he have ? that's all i am saying.
ReplyDeleteWell, none really, from a university or anything like that. But he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's self-taught so I am fine with that!
DeleteIt looks like Nassim has finally gotten his peer review: http://markets.cbsnews.com/cbsnews/news/read?GUID=24131644
ReplyDeleteHave you taken a look at the CBS article on him? It looks like he finally gets some "mainstream science" respect: http://s22.postimg.org/q6zzwfs0x/934951_10151399605317592_766853395_n.jpg
ReplyDeleteWow thank you for this!!! I don't know if the two anonymous commentors above are the same person, but if not then thank you both. If yes I apologize for taking a few days to post your comments! I only moderated cus I get so much spam on here, ugh! I am going to check that article and that paper right now!
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